Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice has been released on Good Friday. Because it wouldn't be a bad Superman movie without a Jesus reference.
And it wouldn't be a bad Batman movie without somebody having a stupid voice. In this case, as in the 1966 film version of the TV show, it's Batman himself.
Having Ben Affleck play a superhero is like having Mike Piazza play any position. And having Zack Snyder direct a movie is like having Axl Rose sing lead for your band: It's going to be loud, and it could end with a riot.
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Having Zack Snyder direct was a mistake. Casting Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman was another. I don't blame Henry Cavill: He didn't mess up Clark Kent/Superman. Like the actors in J.J. Abrams' bastard version of Star Trek, he does all right with the character as he was written.
Another mistake was giving Batman top billing over Superman. Who's kidding who?
They're pandering to Batman's fans. They're louder. They are not more numerous. (See also: Arsenal fans, subsection #WengerOut.)
And let's get something straight: Batman can't beat Superman. There is no way in hell that it could ever happen.
Batfans who want their guy to beat Superman always cite the fight scene in Frank Miller's graphic novel The Dark Knight Returns. And, I have to admit, the Superman in that story (not the one we know, as things have changed tremendously from canon -- and that story is not canon) is a bit of a jerk, who deserved to be taught a lesson.
But here's how that scene would have played out, if Miller understood Superman:
* Batman fires a laser cannon at Superman. Superman is knocked back, but gets up, and says, "Bruce, is that the best you can do?"
* Batman zaps Superman with millions of volts of electricity. (Ripped off from an early Fantastic Four story where The Thing did it to The Hulk, after The Hulk shoved him down a manhole.) Superman is surprised, but says, "Seriously? I just survived a nuke, Bruce."
* Green Arrow launches his arrow containing Kryptonite dust. Superman's super-hearing picks up the sound. His telescopic vision sees the arrow, and his X-ray vision sees what's inside. He gets out of the way, the arrow lands harmlessly, and he blows the Kryptonite dust out of the way.
* Batman is screwed. And Superman hasn't even thrown a punch yet. Batman's ace in the hole is completely wasted, and he has no weapons left except his mind and his hand-to-hand combat abilities. Both of which are completely wasted on a Kryptonian.
* Even if Superman does get zapped by the Kryptonite, that big kick Batman gives him next? That should have shattered every bone in his foot, even with the armor. Kryptonite does not immediately make a Kryptonian as weak as an Earthman. Superman could lose 99 percent of his strength, and, through his pain, still kill an Earthman with one punch.
Frank Miller, pardon the pun, but you are way out of your league.
Batfans believe "Batman always wins." Why?
Top 5 Reasons Batman's Fans Think He Would Beat Superman:
5. He's smarter.
4. He's smarter.
3. He's smarter.
2. He's smarter.
1. Because he's "the goddamn Batman," that's why.
Except Batman isn't smarter than Superman. The yellow Sun of the Earth, compared with the red sun of Krypton, makes Superman's brain a supercomputer, the likes of which no Batman or Batcomputer can match.
You want to know what would happen if they tried to solve the same crime? Batman would sit on a rooftop, waiting for the bad guys to show up. Except they wouldn't, because Superman has used his super-senses to track them down, and has already taken them to jail.
You want to know what would happen if they played each other in chess? I asked my father this question, not long before he died. He was a comic book fan going back to his youth in the 1950s, had 2 science degrees from the school now known as NJIT, and (unlike myself, to whom he never seemed to be able to pass on this part of his knowledge) was a decent chess player.
Dad reminded me of Superman's Sun-aided brain, and his super-speed. He said that Batman would be ready to pull all kinds of maneuvers, except that, in the time it took Batman to set up the board, Superman could have read a dozen books on chess strategy, and would know every move that Batman could make.
It's no contest. And even if Batman were smarter than Superman, which he isn't, he still wouldn't win a fight.
Top 5 Reasons Batman Can't Beat Superman
5. No Element of Surprise. A big part of Batman's schtick is sneaking up on his opponents. You can't sneak up on someone with super-speed. Or super-hearing, for that matter. Speaking of which...
4. Speed. Batman's martial arts expertise is useless against Superman's quickness. And his invulnerability.
3. Strength. Another reason Batman's martial arts expertise is useless against Superman.
2. Attack From a Distance. Batarang? Heat vision, super breath, flying in at super-speed.
1. No Ace in the Hole. Superman faces a guy named Kryptonite Man, plus he has Metallo to fight, and he still finds a way to win, so it's pretty safe to say Batman's Kryptonite ring only has the power that the writers give it, so it's not a guaranteed knockout. The "ace" can be a higher card than a king, but it could be no better than a one, like every other attack Batman could use.
People give Batman so much credit for being smart or crafty -- as if he has a choice otherwise. If he had Superman's powers, he wouldn't even need to be crafty. Which is why Superman isn't shown as being as smart or as crafty as Batman. It's not that he isn't, it's just he hardly ever needs to be. It's like the old Yankees, from Babe Ruth's era to Mickey Mantle's: Maybe they could have used the stolen base and the hit-and-run as weapons, but with longball sluggers like they had, they didn't need to.
Top 5 Reasons Batman's Fans Think He Would Beat Superman:
5. He's smarter.
4. He's smarter.
3. He's smarter.
2. He's smarter.
1. Because he's "the goddamn Batman," that's why.
Except Batman isn't smarter than Superman. The yellow Sun of the Earth, compared with the red sun of Krypton, makes Superman's brain a supercomputer, the likes of which no Batman or Batcomputer can match.
You want to know what would happen if they tried to solve the same crime? Batman would sit on a rooftop, waiting for the bad guys to show up. Except they wouldn't, because Superman has used his super-senses to track them down, and has already taken them to jail.
You want to know what would happen if they played each other in chess? I asked my father this question, not long before he died. He was a comic book fan going back to his youth in the 1950s, had 2 science degrees from the school now known as NJIT, and (unlike myself, to whom he never seemed to be able to pass on this part of his knowledge) was a decent chess player.
Dad reminded me of Superman's Sun-aided brain, and his super-speed. He said that Batman would be ready to pull all kinds of maneuvers, except that, in the time it took Batman to set up the board, Superman could have read a dozen books on chess strategy, and would know every move that Batman could make.
It's no contest. And even if Batman were smarter than Superman, which he isn't, he still wouldn't win a fight.
Top 5 Reasons Batman Can't Beat Superman
5. No Element of Surprise. A big part of Batman's schtick is sneaking up on his opponents. You can't sneak up on someone with super-speed. Or super-hearing, for that matter. Speaking of which...
4. Speed. Batman's martial arts expertise is useless against Superman's quickness. And his invulnerability.
3. Strength. Another reason Batman's martial arts expertise is useless against Superman.
2. Attack From a Distance. Batarang? Heat vision, super breath, flying in at super-speed.
1. No Ace in the Hole. Superman faces a guy named Kryptonite Man, plus he has Metallo to fight, and he still finds a way to win, so it's pretty safe to say Batman's Kryptonite ring only has the power that the writers give it, so it's not a guaranteed knockout. The "ace" can be a higher card than a king, but it could be no better than a one, like every other attack Batman could use.
People give Batman so much credit for being smart or crafty -- as if he has a choice otherwise. If he had Superman's powers, he wouldn't even need to be crafty. Which is why Superman isn't shown as being as smart or as crafty as Batman. It's not that he isn't, it's just he hardly ever needs to be. It's like the old Yankees, from Babe Ruth's era to Mickey Mantle's: Maybe they could have used the stolen base and the hit-and-run as weapons, but with longball sluggers like they had, they didn't need to.
Batman's fans also say he's more relatable than Superman. As Stephen King put it, "Batman was just a guy. A rich guy, sure. A strong guy, yeah. A smart guy, you bet. But he couldn't fly. He couldn't see through walls. If you shoot him, he could die."
Who's really more relatable? The billionaire who buys all that equipment and training to be the ultimate fighter? Or... the guy who grew up on a farm without gobs of money, who has to make do on a reporter's salary, and fights crime not out of a pathological need to avenge his parents, but because his parents told him that helping people was the right thing to do? Jonathan and Martha Kent did that for little Clark, the way that Thomas and Martha Wayne might have been in the process of teaching little Bruce to do.
Lots of comic book characters, with considerably less ability than Superman, and considerably less money and stuff than Batman, fight crime, because they believe it's the right thing to do.
Who's more relatable? The guy whose closest relationships are with an old man who's his surrogate father, and a teenage boy to whom he is a surrogate father, and who sabotages every relationship he has with women? Or the guy who, in spite of his immense power, tries to live as normal a life as possible when he's not doing super stuff, and has a decent relationship with Lois Lane?
In recent rewrites, the symbol on Superman's chest doesn't represent the letter S that begins his nom de masque; it's his Kryptonian family crest, which is also his language's symbol for hope.
There's the difference. Batman represents our chance to overcome fear -- which is a pretty good thing to represent. But Superman represents hope.
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But Batman's movies are more popular. True... but the character isn't. His fans are just louder. So, trying to appeal to teenage boys, and to college boys that refuse to become men, raised less on the comics and more on the Batman-themed video games, Zack Snyder and the rest of the guys behind DC's "New 52" and their cinematic universe (known as the DC Extended Universe) have made Superman dark and disturbed, more like Batman.
And I'm not happy that they Xena-ed up Wonder Woman's costume and messed with her origin story, either. Gal Gadot might be worthy to take the torch from Lynda Carter (who has expressed her approval for Gadot's performance), but this movie does Princess Diana of Themiscyra no favors.
(UPDATE: The 2017 Wonder Woman film is considered the best film in the DC Extended Universe. Partly because it wasn't directed by Snyder. It was directed by Patty Jenkins, which makes sense, having a woman direct Wonder Woman's movie. Having Chris Pine play a World War I version of Steve Trevor, well, let's just say he did a better job there than he did as Abrams' "Captain Jerk.")
If I want to see a Batman story, I'll read or watch a Batman story. When I see Superman, I want to see a man acting in the name of hope. We watch Batman to watch him kick ass; we watch Superman to watch him "fight a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way."
It's why football is called more popular in this country than baseball... except football fills a stadium with 60,000 people once a week, while baseball does 30,000 people six times a week.
That's right: To borrow George Carlin's descriptions, baseball, the "19th Century pastoral game," really is still, always has been, and probably always will be, more popular than football, the "20th Century technological struggle."
As I said in my post about the Top 10 Myths About the 1960s, the Jets' win in Super Bowl III was a great moment, but it was a specific moment in time; the Mets' run to the World Series later that year was a great moment for all time.
People still remember where they were when, depending on their age, Willie Mays made The Catch, the Brooklyn Dodgers finally won the World Series, Don Larsen pitched the World Series perfect game, Roger Maris hit Number 61, the Mets pulled off the Miracle, Hank Aaron hit Number 715, Reggie Jackson hit 3 home runs to clinch the World Series, Bill Buckner made his error, Mark McGwire hit Number 62, Roger Clemens and Mike Piazza had their incident, Barry Bonds hit Number 71 and Number 756, the Red Sox broke the Curse, Hideki Matsui took Pedro Martinez deep, and legendary home runs were hit by Bobby Thomson, Bill Mazeroski, Carlton Fisk, Chris Chambliss, Bucky Dent, Kirk Gibson, Joe Carter, Jim Leyritz and Aaron Boone.
Are you old enough to remember the 1950s? If so, do you remember where you were when Johnny Unitas handed off to Alan Ameche?
Are you old enough to remember the 1960s? If so, do you remember where you were when Bart Starr's sneak won the Ice Bowl, and when Joe Namath walked off the field waving the We're Number 1 finger?
Are you old enough to remember the 1970s? If so, do you remember where you were when Franco Harris made the Immaculate Reception?
Are you old enough to remember the 1980s? If so, do you remember where you were when Dwight Clark made the NFL version of The Catch?
You can debate whether Aaron or Bonds for a career, or Maris or Bonds for a season, is "The Home Run King." But whichever side you take, you know the numbers: 61 and 73; 755 and 762. Peyton Manning just retired as the all-time leader in passing yards and touchdown passes. Do you know those numbers by heart? Who scored the most touchdowns in NFL history? Whose record did he break?
The fact that you have to think about it, never mind look it up, shows that football doesn't have the same kind of hold on us that baseball does.
Football fans prefer their sport because it's loud and dangerous. These are the same people who prefer motorcycles to minivans. Sure, motorcycles can be fun, and who was cooler than The Fonz? But you can't take a family on a motorcycle. And while you can enjoy the scenery, you can't hear yourself think about it.
Baseball fans prefer their sport because it's communal. Football is tribal, but baseball is communal. How many times do Giant fans compare the Super Bowl XLII winners with the Super Bowl XXI winners, and them with the NFL Champions of 1956 and 1934 -- in each case, the great Giants team of a generation? But come baseball season, they're Yankee Fans, and they're not only willing, but able to properly debate 1927, 1941, 1961, 1978, 1998 and 2009.
You tell a football fan that Sam Huff was a better linebacker for the Giants than Lawrence Taylor before L.T. was even born, and they'll wonder what you're smoking. (Not what L.T. is smoking.) But you ask a Yankee Fan whether Whitey Ford or Mariano Rivera is the greatest pitcher in the team's history, and he not only has to think about it, but he enjoys the thought.
Batman fanboys prefer him because he kicks butt. But Superman saves and inspires the world without breaking a sweat.
Heck, in the Tobey Maguire movies, even Spider-Man inspired ordinary New Yorkers to stand up for themselves in the face of evil. When has Batman ever done that?
The Dark Knight, with its Batman wannabes taking on bad guys and suffering for it, showed what happened when guys who only saw the surface tried to "be Batman." (As Bruce pointed out to the wannabes, "I'm not wearing hockey pads!") But you don't need powers or a costume to fulfill Superman's ideals.
After all, at the end of The Dark Knight Rises, Christian Bale's Batman says, "A hero can be anyone."
He's right.
And, in so doing, that Batman makes Superman's point for him.
Batman can beat all kinds of bad guys.
But Batman can't beat Superman.
And these new guys aren't going to beat Chris Reeve, Michael Keaton and Lynda Carter. Or even George Reeves, Adam West and Cathy Lee Crosby.
Who's really more relatable? The billionaire who buys all that equipment and training to be the ultimate fighter? Or... the guy who grew up on a farm without gobs of money, who has to make do on a reporter's salary, and fights crime not out of a pathological need to avenge his parents, but because his parents told him that helping people was the right thing to do? Jonathan and Martha Kent did that for little Clark, the way that Thomas and Martha Wayne might have been in the process of teaching little Bruce to do.
Lots of comic book characters, with considerably less ability than Superman, and considerably less money and stuff than Batman, fight crime, because they believe it's the right thing to do.
Who's more relatable? The guy whose closest relationships are with an old man who's his surrogate father, and a teenage boy to whom he is a surrogate father, and who sabotages every relationship he has with women? Or the guy who, in spite of his immense power, tries to live as normal a life as possible when he's not doing super stuff, and has a decent relationship with Lois Lane?
In recent rewrites, the symbol on Superman's chest doesn't represent the letter S that begins his nom de masque; it's his Kryptonian family crest, which is also his language's symbol for hope.
There's the difference. Batman represents our chance to overcome fear -- which is a pretty good thing to represent. But Superman represents hope.
*
But Batman's movies are more popular. True... but the character isn't. His fans are just louder. So, trying to appeal to teenage boys, and to college boys that refuse to become men, raised less on the comics and more on the Batman-themed video games, Zack Snyder and the rest of the guys behind DC's "New 52" and their cinematic universe (known as the DC Extended Universe) have made Superman dark and disturbed, more like Batman.
And I'm not happy that they Xena-ed up Wonder Woman's costume and messed with her origin story, either. Gal Gadot might be worthy to take the torch from Lynda Carter (who has expressed her approval for Gadot's performance), but this movie does Princess Diana of Themiscyra no favors.
(UPDATE: The 2017 Wonder Woman film is considered the best film in the DC Extended Universe. Partly because it wasn't directed by Snyder. It was directed by Patty Jenkins, which makes sense, having a woman direct Wonder Woman's movie. Having Chris Pine play a World War I version of Steve Trevor, well, let's just say he did a better job there than he did as Abrams' "Captain Jerk.")
If I want to see a Batman story, I'll read or watch a Batman story. When I see Superman, I want to see a man acting in the name of hope. We watch Batman to watch him kick ass; we watch Superman to watch him "fight a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way."
It's why football is called more popular in this country than baseball... except football fills a stadium with 60,000 people once a week, while baseball does 30,000 people six times a week.
That's right: To borrow George Carlin's descriptions, baseball, the "19th Century pastoral game," really is still, always has been, and probably always will be, more popular than football, the "20th Century technological struggle."
As I said in my post about the Top 10 Myths About the 1960s, the Jets' win in Super Bowl III was a great moment, but it was a specific moment in time; the Mets' run to the World Series later that year was a great moment for all time.
People still remember where they were when, depending on their age, Willie Mays made The Catch, the Brooklyn Dodgers finally won the World Series, Don Larsen pitched the World Series perfect game, Roger Maris hit Number 61, the Mets pulled off the Miracle, Hank Aaron hit Number 715, Reggie Jackson hit 3 home runs to clinch the World Series, Bill Buckner made his error, Mark McGwire hit Number 62, Roger Clemens and Mike Piazza had their incident, Barry Bonds hit Number 71 and Number 756, the Red Sox broke the Curse, Hideki Matsui took Pedro Martinez deep, and legendary home runs were hit by Bobby Thomson, Bill Mazeroski, Carlton Fisk, Chris Chambliss, Bucky Dent, Kirk Gibson, Joe Carter, Jim Leyritz and Aaron Boone.
Are you old enough to remember the 1950s? If so, do you remember where you were when Johnny Unitas handed off to Alan Ameche?
Are you old enough to remember the 1960s? If so, do you remember where you were when Bart Starr's sneak won the Ice Bowl, and when Joe Namath walked off the field waving the We're Number 1 finger?
Are you old enough to remember the 1970s? If so, do you remember where you were when Franco Harris made the Immaculate Reception?
Are you old enough to remember the 1980s? If so, do you remember where you were when Dwight Clark made the NFL version of The Catch?
You can debate whether Aaron or Bonds for a career, or Maris or Bonds for a season, is "The Home Run King." But whichever side you take, you know the numbers: 61 and 73; 755 and 762. Peyton Manning just retired as the all-time leader in passing yards and touchdown passes. Do you know those numbers by heart? Who scored the most touchdowns in NFL history? Whose record did he break?
The fact that you have to think about it, never mind look it up, shows that football doesn't have the same kind of hold on us that baseball does.
Football fans prefer their sport because it's loud and dangerous. These are the same people who prefer motorcycles to minivans. Sure, motorcycles can be fun, and who was cooler than The Fonz? But you can't take a family on a motorcycle. And while you can enjoy the scenery, you can't hear yourself think about it.
Baseball fans prefer their sport because it's communal. Football is tribal, but baseball is communal. How many times do Giant fans compare the Super Bowl XLII winners with the Super Bowl XXI winners, and them with the NFL Champions of 1956 and 1934 -- in each case, the great Giants team of a generation? But come baseball season, they're Yankee Fans, and they're not only willing, but able to properly debate 1927, 1941, 1961, 1978, 1998 and 2009.
You tell a football fan that Sam Huff was a better linebacker for the Giants than Lawrence Taylor before L.T. was even born, and they'll wonder what you're smoking. (Not what L.T. is smoking.) But you ask a Yankee Fan whether Whitey Ford or Mariano Rivera is the greatest pitcher in the team's history, and he not only has to think about it, but he enjoys the thought.
Batman fanboys prefer him because he kicks butt. But Superman saves and inspires the world without breaking a sweat.
Heck, in the Tobey Maguire movies, even Spider-Man inspired ordinary New Yorkers to stand up for themselves in the face of evil. When has Batman ever done that?
The Dark Knight, with its Batman wannabes taking on bad guys and suffering for it, showed what happened when guys who only saw the surface tried to "be Batman." (As Bruce pointed out to the wannabes, "I'm not wearing hockey pads!") But you don't need powers or a costume to fulfill Superman's ideals.
After all, at the end of The Dark Knight Rises, Christian Bale's Batman says, "A hero can be anyone."
He's right.
And, in so doing, that Batman makes Superman's point for him.
Batman can beat all kinds of bad guys.
But Batman can't beat Superman.
And these new guys aren't going to beat Chris Reeve, Michael Keaton and Lynda Carter. Or even George Reeves, Adam West and Cathy Lee Crosby.
UPDATE: In 2024, ScreenRant published this article, citing a newly-published DC comic, in which Wonder Woman, who would know better than anyone else, settles it for once and for all: If Superman didn't hold back, Batman couldn't beat him.
2 comments:
Actually Superman is not smarter than batman. Because first of all superman can not equate to knowledge of lex Luther. Although kal-el of krypton is a super alien on earth he is not the smartest alien of "man" on earth. First of all the brains in comic book land act just as the brains in reality. In order for one to use knowledge one must put the knowledge in his mind. Kal-el is known as the alias of Clark Kent. This Clark Kent never had the same higher education as batman. Matter of fact I don't think he had any at all. Back when the super comic was first in the somewhere in the twentieth century he did not need know higher education. But Bruce Wayne had always be known as having a high quantity of knowledge,Clark Kent with strength. In the first comic book of Luther appearance in superman action the comic book clearly said "brawns vs brains" depicting the superman outsmarted(easily). But to be honest who would win batman or superman? The guy who always have a cogency plan. Why? Superman's main venerability is not only kryptonite it's his mind. Superman knows about his power but that all he relies on, his power. He does not have to think he is SUPERMAN. A man who is invulnerable, mighty in strength, fast in speed,but not superior in thinking. SUPERMAN does not think about losing because he is blinded by his blind by his super abilities. Batman is not. He is mortal. He is not immortal. He knows death better than anybody. He Knows his LIMITS. Superman in the movie Does not even know about the kryptonite Lex has founded. Although he has x-ray vision, super hearing, and "super intelligence". Batman knew,for he is The Greatest detective solving cases better the superman can solve a derivative. Batman wins again and again
Yes, Superman IS smarter than Batman. Luthor likes to say he's the smartest man on Earth, but Superman outsmarts him EVERY time.
I don't care what kind of education Bruce Wayne had in comparison to Clark Kent, Bruce is an Earthman, and he cannot match the brain of a Kryptonian.
To Hell with Batman's "plans." There is not a single plan he can come up with that Superman can't render useless.
There is no way on Earth that Batman can beat Superman. If you can't figure that out, then you're too goddamned stupid to be debating me.
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